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		<title>By: Rob Larke</title>
		<link>http://www.francethisway.com/wp/swimming-pool-liner-problems-get-worse/2008/01/comment-page-1/#comment-17143</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, will pass it on.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Paet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Paet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps... In response to the fiberglass pool...  Just one comment.. Go look at any hottub or spa that does not have a cover on it and see what the finish looks like....Me ...not a fan..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps&#8230; In response to the fiberglass pool&#8230;  Just one comment.. Go look at any hottub or spa that does not have a cover on it and see what the finish looks like&#8230;.Me &#8230;not a fan..</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Paet</title>
		<link>http://www.francethisway.com/wp/swimming-pool-liner-problems-get-worse/2008/01/comment-page-1/#comment-17138</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Paet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me as if the liner has been floated.   This will at first result in a liner that has water underneath usually due to either excessive ground water table, operator neglect (overfilling pool) or damaged liner,or accessories.  When the water underneath the pool recedes (is drawn back into the ground) then the effect will be creases very taught and defined in the bottom of the pool.   Once the creases have remained for a period of time the likelyhood of removing them is not very good at all.  I am an installer that has been in the industry for over 25 years with almost exclusively liner pools.  And it is very easy to float a liner pool either with a good 4&quot; overnite rain or simply as I myself have done with my own pool numerous times...forgotten the water hose while refilling.   Also make note that the water lever does not necessarily have to fill to the very top of the pool.  If you open your skimmer and peer down towards the basket.  You will see a collar  or seam that is placed to adjust the height of the skimmer to the concrete.   This seam is the highest point the pool can be filled as it is very seldom every sealed.  Another note...  Liners have an average life of 5-8 years.  Some will last longer even had some last 19-20 years but it all depends no only on the care given to the pools chemical balance but also on the location of the pool in proximity to cities, highways, etc.  This is due to the residue that settles on the waters surface. The warranties for liners are against the seams seperating which would then be a manufacturers issue. Good Luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me as if the liner has been floated.   This will at first result in a liner that has water underneath usually due to either excessive ground water table, operator neglect (overfilling pool) or damaged liner,or accessories.  When the water underneath the pool recedes (is drawn back into the ground) then the effect will be creases very taught and defined in the bottom of the pool.   Once the creases have remained for a period of time the likelyhood of removing them is not very good at all.  I am an installer that has been in the industry for over 25 years with almost exclusively liner pools.  And it is very easy to float a liner pool either with a good 4&#8243; overnite rain or simply as I myself have done with my own pool numerous times&#8230;forgotten the water hose while refilling.   Also make note that the water lever does not necessarily have to fill to the very top of the pool.  If you open your skimmer and peer down towards the basket.  You will see a collar  or seam that is placed to adjust the height of the skimmer to the concrete.   This seam is the highest point the pool can be filled as it is very seldom every sealed.  Another note&#8230;  Liners have an average life of 5-8 years.  Some will last longer even had some last 19-20 years but it all depends no only on the care given to the pools chemical balance but also on the location of the pool in proximity to cities, highways, etc.  This is due to the residue that settles on the waters surface. The warranties for liners are against the seams seperating which would then be a manufacturers issue. Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Larke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys, 
just a quick question.  A friend of mine has a lined pool with rounded corners.  Just recently a slit approximately 4&quot; long has appeared in one of the corners.  It is horizontal and about 2&quot; above water level.  I have applied some &quot;gaffer&quot; tape to the slit to prevent it spreading.  My question is can this slit be repaired.
P.S. the liner is decorative at the water surface level with a band of &quot;tiles&quot; where the slit appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys,<br />
just a quick question.  A friend of mine has a lined pool with rounded corners.  Just recently a slit approximately 4&#8243; long has appeared in one of the corners.  It is horizontal and about 2&#8243; above water level.  I have applied some &#8220;gaffer&#8221; tape to the slit to prevent it spreading.  My question is can this slit be repaired.<br />
P.S. the liner is decorative at the water surface level with a band of &#8220;tiles&#8221; where the slit appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Humphries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Humphries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Boris,

A brief introduction, I am an Australian living in the Uk who has dedicated most of my spare time scouring the worlds pool market looking for the best products.   

Mate If and when you decide to give up on the head ache of concrete and liner pools. Do yourself a favor and look into investing in an Australian made fibreglass pool. Don&#039;t worry about your average 5 and 10 year warranties that should come with liner and concrete pools. There are a number of manufacturers in Australia whom all manufacture there products to strict government regulated standards, all of these pools come with 25 years warranty as standard.

My company Aquafil Water import Narellan Pools into Europe. Every single pool has to be installed strictly to the manufacturers installation guide lines. What we have done to make certain that the problem you have come across,&quot;no one looking to take the blame&quot; is as followed:

We have two installation holding points which the installer has to adhere to make sure that if there is a warranty claim, all appropriate measures where seen to before the job was signed off.

- The first holding point is to check with lasers that all levels are with in 25mm of the agreed datumn point, that the earth is compacted correctly and that the correct aggrigates are used for bedding and leveling.

- The next is once the pool is in the ground, all pipe work and services are installed but not back filled at joint points. Check that all joints are primed,glued and tightened correctly and that the plumbing has ran been ran hydraulically correctly.

These holding points have to be singed off and have photographic evidence with the warranty papers. All this so that when it comes to getting a problem solved, all corners have been covered. In saying that all of the above has been completed, you can be more than certain that your going to have a pool that will be with you for a life time. 
 
Cheers 

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Boris,</p>
<p>A brief introduction, I am an Australian living in the Uk who has dedicated most of my spare time scouring the worlds pool market looking for the best products.   </p>
<p>Mate If and when you decide to give up on the head ache of concrete and liner pools. Do yourself a favor and look into investing in an Australian made fibreglass pool. Don&#8217;t worry about your average 5 and 10 year warranties that should come with liner and concrete pools. There are a number of manufacturers in Australia whom all manufacture there products to strict government regulated standards, all of these pools come with 25 years warranty as standard.</p>
<p>My company Aquafil Water import Narellan Pools into Europe. Every single pool has to be installed strictly to the manufacturers installation guide lines. What we have done to make certain that the problem you have come across,&#8221;no one looking to take the blame&#8221; is as followed:</p>
<p>We have two installation holding points which the installer has to adhere to make sure that if there is a warranty claim, all appropriate measures where seen to before the job was signed off.</p>
<p>- The first holding point is to check with lasers that all levels are with in 25mm of the agreed datumn point, that the earth is compacted correctly and that the correct aggrigates are used for bedding and leveling.</p>
<p>- The next is once the pool is in the ground, all pipe work and services are installed but not back filled at joint points. Check that all joints are primed,glued and tightened correctly and that the plumbing has ran been ran hydraulically correctly.</p>
<p>These holding points have to be singed off and have photographic evidence with the warranty papers. All this so that when it comes to getting a problem solved, all corners have been covered. In saying that all of the above has been completed, you can be more than certain that your going to have a pool that will be with you for a life time. </p>
<p>Cheers </p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: glenn burbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn burbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, 
If anybody has got problems with there swimming pool please leave it on the website and i will try to resolve them for you, all pools are different, Thanks
Glenn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
If anybody has got problems with there swimming pool please leave it on the website and i will try to resolve them for you, all pools are different, Thanks<br />
Glenn</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn,
I&#039;m not sure I have the will to try - I&#039;m sure I&#039;d end up with the holes that have been cut for the skimmers in the wrong place and water actually flooding behind the liner!
But any  guide to the steps to be followed would be very useful and well received - I know a lot of people come across this post when researching pool liner problems.
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure I have the will to try &#8211; I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d end up with the holes that have been cut for the skimmers in the wrong place and water actually flooding behind the liner!<br />
But any  guide to the steps to be followed would be very useful and well received &#8211; I know a lot of people come across this post when researching pool liner problems.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: glenn burbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn burbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, i can now tell you that it is a liner that has not been fitted correctly, if the liner is less than 2 years old you would be able to get rid of these without undoing any of the fittings, you would be able to hold your water in above ground blow up pools to reduce the water cost, this is quite a simply job to do if of course you know what your doing, if you feel like you would like to do this i would be able to take you through this step by step</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, i can now tell you that it is a liner that has not been fitted correctly, if the liner is less than 2 years old you would be able to get rid of these without undoing any of the fittings, you would be able to hold your water in above ground blow up pools to reduce the water cost, this is quite a simply job to do if of course you know what your doing, if you feel like you would like to do this i would be able to take you through this step by step</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem was not to do with over-wintering but to do with the fact that we closed the pool for winter the day after the liner was installed and the pool refilled, so we didn&#039;t see the wrinkles until five months later - I still think the installation of a wrong sized liner was the real problem. The wrinkles are sharp/flat, about 2-5 cm wide, 1 metre long, on the bottom of the pool, radiating out from a central point as if someone had &#039;tugged&#039; the middle of the liner and then let go).
We&#039;ve abandoned hope of further legal action since it would be costly and although I am confident we are morally right (we paid extra for a new liner with a 10 year guarantee that was wrinkled within days or weeks) I can&#039;t be sure the courts will agree that we are technically right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem was not to do with over-wintering but to do with the fact that we closed the pool for winter the day after the liner was installed and the pool refilled, so we didn&#8217;t see the wrinkles until five months later &#8211; I still think the installation of a wrong sized liner was the real problem. The wrinkles are sharp/flat, about 2-5 cm wide, 1 metre long, on the bottom of the pool, radiating out from a central point as if someone had &#8216;tugged&#8217; the middle of the liner and then let go).<br />
We&#8217;ve abandoned hope of further legal action since it would be costly and although I am confident we are morally right (we paid extra for a new liner with a 10 year guarantee that was wrinkled within days or weeks) I can&#8217;t be sure the courts will agree that we are technically right.</p>
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		<title>By: glenn burbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn burbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont know if this will help you but i know many liner companies will test the liner and come up with the reason, Also the liner makers will normally keep records as a refrence this could tell you the size and other details regarding the liner supplied to your pool builder, liners can be very forgiving. can you tell me where the creases are please, refilling slowly will not cause a problem. with regarding the PH test your pool water source ie the tap where the water came from this will tell you the PH level, I have not in 15 years had a problem over winter with liners, after working out in france for a while i have not met anybody with much idea of building pools let alone of maintaning them, i feel that if you were to go down the legal route as many do they would cease trading!!,if you would like any advise on opening your pool just let me know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont know if this will help you but i know many liner companies will test the liner and come up with the reason, Also the liner makers will normally keep records as a refrence this could tell you the size and other details regarding the liner supplied to your pool builder, liners can be very forgiving. can you tell me where the creases are please, refilling slowly will not cause a problem. with regarding the PH test your pool water source ie the tap where the water came from this will tell you the PH level, I have not in 15 years had a problem over winter with liners, after working out in france for a while i have not met anybody with much idea of building pools let alone of maintaning them, i feel that if you were to go down the legal route as many do they would cease trading!!,if you would like any advise on opening your pool just let me know</p>
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